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	<title>Comments on: PowerWise&#039;s &quot;Allard-Johnson Communications&quot; Commenter: Holocaust a &quot;controversial&#8230;theory&quot;, PM a &quot;Doochebag&quot;</title>
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		<title>By: simonor</title>
		<link>http://blog.paulmckeever.ca/2008/06/12/white-power-wise-commenter-calls-holocaust-controversialtheory-and-calls-me-a-doochebag/comment-page-1/#comment-1317</link>
		<dc:creator>simonor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 22:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We had some similar issues in England. I wasted my time e-mailing a company that was using taxpayer money to lobby the public on behalf of the government, and lobby the government on behalf of the &#039;public&#039;.
They were apparently somewhere Green and in-between, using the nest of Quango vipers to gain more-or-less untraceable funding, while having lots of fun preaching death for death&#039;s sake.
Can&#039;t remember who they were. It&#039;s probably all on a blog somewhere. I don&#039;t really attack these sorts of people anymore, it&#039;s a bit like trying to savage Tofu.

I remember they were proclaiming &#039;evidence&#039; in the same way that Gaddhafi proclaimed &#039;theory&#039;, and they actually confused their presumed ability to sway some people&#039;s parroting with &#039;proof&#039;.

Tofu for brains, and that&#039;s putting it politely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We had some similar issues in England. I wasted my time e-mailing a company that was using taxpayer money to lobby the public on behalf of the government, and lobby the government on behalf of the &#8216;public&#8217;.<br />
They were apparently somewhere Green and in-between, using the nest of Quango vipers to gain more-or-less untraceable funding, while having lots of fun preaching death for death&#8217;s sake.<br />
Can&#8217;t remember who they were. It&#8217;s probably all on a blog somewhere. I don&#8217;t really attack these sorts of people anymore, it&#8217;s a bit like trying to savage Tofu.</p>
<p>I remember they were proclaiming &#8216;evidence&#8217; in the same way that Gaddhafi proclaimed &#8216;theory&#8217;, and they actually confused their presumed ability to sway some people&#8217;s parroting with &#8216;proof&#8217;.</p>
<p>Tofu for brains, and that&#8217;s putting it politely.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul McKeever</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul McKeever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 13:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: &quot;Liebestraum&quot;/&quot;Lebesraum&quot; - now, that&#039;s funny.  I distinctly remember doing a quick check on the spelling...but, it appears, not on the meaning, which led to my use of the wrong word.  Thanks for the correction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: &#8220;Liebestraum&#8221;/&#8221;Lebesraum&#8221; &#8211; now, that&#8217;s funny.  I distinctly remember doing a quick check on the spelling&#8230;but, it appears, not on the meaning, which led to my use of the wrong word.  Thanks for the correction.</p>
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		<title>By: Ralf Wilmes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ralf Wilmes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 08:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Paul,

Allow me to kick off with a correction in German: living space is &#039;Lebesraum&#039;. The funny thing here is that &#039;Liebestraum&#039; means &#039;Love-dream&#039;! A happy mistake I&#039;d say!

Seriously, I do not think you use the Hitler hammer too quickly indeed. I do think the whole green movement is often so &#039;sneaky&#039; in the way they operate that some strong identification is needed.

I think of my own company who now &#039;advises&#039; to put a stupid logo at the end of my emails showing a little icon of a tree, followed by the text &quot;think before you print&quot;.

Having my Inbox filled with useless emails every morning I come into the office, I just changed the text to &#039;Think before you write&#039;. It worked. Less people write me now, I print less, and my mind is less polluted.

I would go as far as to say the green movements motive is to make people feel small. Feeling small makes you un-assertive. Unassertive people are easier to rule.

I live and work in Italy. Since 2 years we have to separate our garbage, and throw away plastics, glass, organic, paper etc. into separate containers. A lot of work more to do for me I&#039;d say, so at least a tax reduction please? No.I pay more tax now! Am I missing something? No. My eyes still function. The state really expects me to be feel so guilty, that it  almost sounds fair to let me do the work and pay for it too. Try harder folks.
Cheers
Ralf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Paul,</p>
<p>Allow me to kick off with a correction in German: living space is &#8216;Lebesraum&#8217;. The funny thing here is that &#8216;Liebestraum&#8217; means &#8216;Love-dream&#8217;! A happy mistake I&#8217;d say!</p>
<p>Seriously, I do not think you use the Hitler hammer too quickly indeed. I do think the whole green movement is often so &#8216;sneaky&#8217; in the way they operate that some strong identification is needed.</p>
<p>I think of my own company who now &#8216;advises&#8217; to put a stupid logo at the end of my emails showing a little icon of a tree, followed by the text &#8220;think before you print&#8221;.</p>
<p>Having my Inbox filled with useless emails every morning I come into the office, I just changed the text to &#8216;Think before you write&#8217;. It worked. Less people write me now, I print less, and my mind is less polluted.</p>
<p>I would go as far as to say the green movements motive is to make people feel small. Feeling small makes you un-assertive. Unassertive people are easier to rule.</p>
<p>I live and work in Italy. Since 2 years we have to separate our garbage, and throw away plastics, glass, organic, paper etc. into separate containers. A lot of work more to do for me I&#8217;d say, so at least a tax reduction please? No.I pay more tax now! Am I missing something? No. My eyes still function. The state really expects me to be feel so guilty, that it  almost sounds fair to let me do the work and pay for it too. Try harder folks.<br />
Cheers<br />
Ralf</p>
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		<title>By: Paul McKeever</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul McKeever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 05:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike (MacMurray):

Thanks for your comment.

I don&#039;t reach for the &quot;Hitler hammer&quot; indiscriminately.  Hitler gained power with the considerable help of the Völkisch movement, the existence of which preceded his NSDAP.  Hitler&#039;s expressed rationale for geographic conquest was to secure land for Germans, at the expense of others.  The foundation of his goal was a belief that the earth could not sustain development.  His belief about &lt;em&gt;sustainability&lt;/em&gt; (i.e., that population growth is not sustainable) was essentially the same as that of David Suzuki and other Völkisch Malthusians.

Hitler (a vegetarian) implemented a series of what would now be called &quot;green&quot; laws.  His one-with-nature ideal was the same, in its &lt;em&gt;essentials&lt;/em&gt;, as that of Suzuki.  Suzuki, like the German Völkisch movement which preceded him, believes population control is necessary.  Suzuki, like Hitler, wants to reduce and limit the human population (watch/listen to/read virtually anything he has said about the population) for &quot;sustainability&quot; reasons.  The central change in the Völkisch movement&#039;s strategy, today, is this: Hitler&#039;s strategy - sacrificing non-German humans for the sustainable existence of Germans - has been abandoned in favour of a more politically-salable strategy of sacrificing the human population as a whole, regardless of genetic make-up: not in the form of murder (although an unnecessary lack of power production will undoubtedly be the cause of many people&#039;s deaths), but in the form impoverishment of all humanity, and a reduction (through attrition and government-imposed limits on births) in the number of people occupying the Earth.

The very idea that a human &quot;footprint&quot; is bad suggests that human footprints should not be found on Earth.  Even the chosen terminology (i.e., &quot;footprint&quot;) implies that Suzuki and other Völkisch types believes that humans are not a part of nature at all.  Humans, in his system of understanding, are akin to a parasite on a host.  As he sees it, humans should adapt to nature as it might be without the existence of man, rather than changing anything in nature to suit the needs or wants of humans.  Implicitly, and essentially, the modern green movement replaces Hitler&#039;s demonization of Jewish people with a demonization of all of humanity.

In the end, green fanaticism is fascism taken to its logical conclusion: the hatred of all that is human.  As such, the green movement deserves an unequivocal moral condemnation...as does any organization that profits from the tax-funded condemnation of human existence and happiness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike (MacMurray):</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t reach for the &#8220;Hitler hammer&#8221; indiscriminately.  Hitler gained power with the considerable help of the Völkisch movement, the existence of which preceded his NSDAP.  Hitler&#8217;s expressed rationale for geographic conquest was to secure land for Germans, at the expense of others.  The foundation of his goal was a belief that the earth could not sustain development.  His belief about <em>sustainability</em> (i.e., that population growth is not sustainable) was essentially the same as that of David Suzuki and other Völkisch Malthusians.</p>
<p>Hitler (a vegetarian) implemented a series of what would now be called &#8220;green&#8221; laws.  His one-with-nature ideal was the same, in its <em>essentials</em>, as that of Suzuki.  Suzuki, like the German Völkisch movement which preceded him, believes population control is necessary.  Suzuki, like Hitler, wants to reduce and limit the human population (watch/listen to/read virtually anything he has said about the population) for &#8220;sustainability&#8221; reasons.  The central change in the Völkisch movement&#8217;s strategy, today, is this: Hitler&#8217;s strategy &#8211; sacrificing non-German humans for the sustainable existence of Germans &#8211; has been abandoned in favour of a more politically-salable strategy of sacrificing the human population as a whole, regardless of genetic make-up: not in the form of murder (although an unnecessary lack of power production will undoubtedly be the cause of many people&#8217;s deaths), but in the form impoverishment of all humanity, and a reduction (through attrition and government-imposed limits on births) in the number of people occupying the Earth.</p>
<p>The very idea that a human &#8220;footprint&#8221; is bad suggests that human footprints should not be found on Earth.  Even the chosen terminology (i.e., &#8220;footprint&#8221;) implies that Suzuki and other Völkisch types believes that humans are not a part of nature at all.  Humans, in his system of understanding, are akin to a parasite on a host.  As he sees it, humans should adapt to nature as it might be without the existence of man, rather than changing anything in nature to suit the needs or wants of humans.  Implicitly, and essentially, the modern green movement replaces Hitler&#8217;s demonization of Jewish people with a demonization of all of humanity.</p>
<p>In the end, green fanaticism is fascism taken to its logical conclusion: the hatred of all that is human.  As such, the green movement deserves an unequivocal moral condemnation&#8230;as does any organization that profits from the tax-funded condemnation of human existence and happiness.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike MacMurray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike MacMurray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 01:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul,

I&#039;ve enjoyed most of what I&#039;ve read so far on the site. But In this post I think you&#039;ve gotten a little ahead of yourself. A call to &quot;stop all immigration now&quot; is, as you pointed out, related to genocide and expropriation. But you would have done better to carefully lay out how the false concepts that form the basis of xenophobia lead, not to a Suzuki-approved smaller carbon footprint, but to the initiation on a national scale of violence against those who don&#039;t belong to the &quot;master race&quot;.

You immediately reached for the &quot;Hitler hammer&quot; when a tool of greater delicacy and precision was required.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve enjoyed most of what I&#8217;ve read so far on the site. But In this post I think you&#8217;ve gotten a little ahead of yourself. A call to &#8220;stop all immigration now&#8221; is, as you pointed out, related to genocide and expropriation. But you would have done better to carefully lay out how the false concepts that form the basis of xenophobia lead, not to a Suzuki-approved smaller carbon footprint, but to the initiation on a national scale of violence against those who don&#8217;t belong to the &#8220;master race&#8221;.</p>
<p>You immediately reached for the &#8220;Hitler hammer&#8221; when a tool of greater delicacy and precision was required.</p>
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